Battery Type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

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dmaskal
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Battery Type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by dmaskal » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:00 am

Greetings. Just setup an OutBack FlexMax system with Simpliphi, Lithium Ferro Phosphate, batteries (LHPl). Is there a software/firware update for FX80 Charge controller to accomodate LFP type batteries?

Did not recieve any information with pre-configured system.
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Re: Batter type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by raysun » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:45 am

No specific firmware update that I'm aware of,but both Outback and SimpliPhi have published application notes on integration.

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Re: Batter type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by Kurt Lundquist » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:47 am

A firmware update is not necessary. Simpliphi has a guide for the settings you should use: https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/u ... -guide.pdf

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Re: Battery type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by dmaskal » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:34 pm

Raysu & Kurt, thanks from your prompt responce.
Could only find Upgraded Mate3s (to ver.03.019.001). Hoping recognition of LFP type battery will do some of my configuring. You were correct it does not.

I have Simpliphi's integration guide and Notes. I am getting it, slowly.

Will configure this week and get back to end this thread.
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Re: Battery type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by dmaskal » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:01 am

The system powered up okay and has been running for 48hrs.

Conserned about overcharging lithium batteries. Because inverter low battery cut-out voltage will not go above 48V. Recommended is 50.4V @ 130 sec delay.

Battery "type" is just an information field and does not change configuration or set points.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Re: Batter type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by raysun » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:24 am

Is there an FNDC in the system?

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Re: Batter type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by dmaskal » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:16 am

Yes . FLEXnet DC, set to: Charge Termination Y, Auto grid-tie N, Low SOC 20%, Critical SOC 10%.

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Re: Batter type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by Kurt Lundquist » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:20 am

See pages 6-7 of the following app note for instructions on how to wire the FNDC relay to the Master FXR On/Off terminals.

http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/d ... p_note.pdf

You can set the FNDC relay to cut out at 50.4 to turn the inverter off to help prevent the battery from over-discharge. Remember to pull the blue jumper on the inverter where it says On/Off after you wire to the terminal block. Manually test the setup by turning the FNDC relay On/Off to make sure it is working.

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Re: Battery type? For Lithium 48V (Simpliphi)

Post by dmaskal » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:33 pm

The FN-DC and FN-DC Comm Port are in two adjacent breaker slots. And I think they are connected.

Inverter firmware is 001.006.015 According to application notes this should allow setting LBCO to 50.4V. However I cannot go above 48V. This is bugging me.

The system was integrated (pre-configured) by Outback. It does not appear to be wired to the on/off relay on inverter and blue jumper is still in-place. So I will have to shut down and trace wires to make sure.

So if I need to wire relay contacts as per App Notes. Can I assume only the master inverter needs to be wired?

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