Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

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Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

Post by bhsolar » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:33 am

RSD compliance (NEC 690.12) adds additional equipment and installation costs. So having the most cost-effective option is desirable. Currently Outback has tested the Fire Raptor and Tigo products, which are more cost-effective options than Outback's RSD-1. The RSD-1 is also a fused 3-string combiner. However, when one or two PV strings are used a combiner is not necessary.

The lowest cost product I am aware of is the Midnite SOB (shut-off box). I have tested it with Skybox but unfortunately, it resulted in solar fault #33792. I believe this may be because the SOB uses powerline communication. The SOB consists of only two parts: a transmitter, which uses a current transformer on the PV circuit, and an MC4/T4 connecting receiver installed anywhere within the PV string (multiple strings require one receiver each). The transmitter (when powered) tells the receiver to close the PV circuit within the array; when the transmitter loses power it stops transmitting and the receiver(s) turn off. This RSD solution costs less than $200 for a single string.

The SOB transmitter can be powered by the load panel, allowing PV to operate off-grid. When needed, an outdoor 120V switch can be used for RSD activation. The RSD state can also be activated within the Skybox, depending on requirements.

I would be happy to see this product tested and made compatible with the Skybox.

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Re: Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

Post by Gwendoly Espe » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:08 am

Have you considered Tigo or IMO without a combiner, if a combiner is not necessary? We do not require a combiner for the SkyBox units, so one could connect directly to the SkyBox unit and use Tigo or IMO for the NEC 2017 cycle.

The SkyBox-RSD-1 is more for NEC 2014 requirements. If you were to use that combiner (for whatever reason) and be in NEC 2017 code cycle, you'd still need MLPE's.

I'll have to ask one of the PMs if SkyBox will be compatible with the SOBs, I think we have or are in the middle of testing that.
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Re: Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

Post by Gwendoly Espe » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:48 am

We are focused on testing SkyBox (and FM100) with the SOB for NEC2017 compliance. We donÔÇÖt see a successful path forward.
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Re: Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

Post by Mike Curran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:56 pm

Gwendoly - You say Skybox is compatible with Tigo but their TS4-R-F rapid shutdown solution seems to work the same way that bhsolar describes the Midnite Solar SOB device, via PowerLine communication, except that the Tigo requires MLPE at each module vs. the SOB using just one device per string.

Can you confirm that Skybox will work with Tigo's TS4-R-F? Thanks. - Mike
http://www.tigoenergy.com/site.php?95b2dca2-ca6c
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221

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Re: Rapid Shutdown (RSD) with Midnite SOB

Post by Gwendoly Espe » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:01 am

Mike Curran wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:56 pm
Gwendoly - You say Skybox is compatible with Tigo but their TS4-R-F rapid shutdown solution seems to work the same way that bhsolar describes the Midnite Solar SOB device, via PowerLine communication, except that the Tigo requires MLPE at each module vs. the SOB using just one device per string.

Can you confirm that Skybox will work with Tigo's TS4-R-F? Thanks. - Mike

Tigo's –S and – R-S are compatible with OutBack equipment, including SkyBox. This is the only Tigo solution that is compatible right now.
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