GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

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GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Zip92 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Does anyone know of a network capable GSCM? I have an Atkinson Mini D that does into error mode at my remotely located cabin. Unless I install a network camera and a relay attached to a network controlled wifi receptacle, I have no way to monitor or reset the GSCM if it goes into error more, say from HZ over/under.

I donÔÇÖt suppose the Mate3s can send a reset command to the GSCM?

So, I ask, are there any better Gen Start control modules out there that can be monitored and controlled remotely?

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by sodamo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:59 pm

Not familar with your module, but I wonder..
Possibly use the Aux function of either CC or Inverter to turn power on/off to Mini D via your Mate3?
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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Zip92 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:04 am

The AUX function sends sends the start signal to the Mini-D. Once the Mini-D receives that signal, then it initiates the start sequence which is first to 'glow' for 7 seconds, then a crank command for a few seconds to start the gen. When the Mate/AGS turns off the AUX signal, then the Mini-D tells the gen to shutdown. The Mini-D is powered by the 12v battery that starts the diesel gen.

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Kurt Lundquist » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:36 am

Power the Mini-D with the other inverter AUX port. You can use OpticsRE to remotely cycle the AUX port OFF/ON to reset the Mini-D if there is an AGS error.

Let us know if that works out for you.

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by sodamo » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:20 am

Thanks Kurt, thatÔÇÖs what I meant, but you explained it mo betta.
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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by blackswan555 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:48 am

Do you know if the GSCM needs constant voltage ? My thinking is could you use a double pole relay running the normal AGS to interrupt its 12v feed when AGS is not active ?

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Zip92 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:27 pm

Great tips guys; thank you. Right now I use a 12v relay plugged into a WiFi receptacle to do the 'reset'. The AUX and DP relay options sound like they would work as well.

How would I tell the Mate3s to activate/interrupt this second AUX?

@Tim, yes the GSCM requires constant voltage. Cutting the voltage to reset should work. That's essentially what I do now through the use of a 12v relay connected to a wifi controlled receptacle... Perhaps there's a more automated way to do it?

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Kurt Lundquist » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:07 pm

Zip92 wrote:How would I tell the Mate3s to activate/interrupt this second AUX?
Let's say you are using the port 2 inverter AUX to power the GSCM. In OpticsRE you would go to the port 2 device, scroll down to the AUX port, then set it to off. After the AUX switches off you would then set the AUX to ON. I don't think there is a more automated way to make it happen because an AGS error will keep the OB system from trying to auto start the gen. Either way, you have to manually set AGS to OFF then AUTO again to get it back into auto mode if the generator fails to start.

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by blackswan555 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:11 pm

yes the GSCM requires constant voltage. Cutting the voltage to reset should work. That's essentially what I do now through the use of a 12v relay connected to a wifi controlled receptacle... Perhaps there's a more automated way to do it?
I am thinking the DP relay is 1, the two wire trigger for AGS start. 2, It cuts power to the GSCM when not "on" , If the GSCM would work with power on and start signal at the same time in effect giving a reset every time it is activated,

Another point that may or may not be correct, Techs please confirm either way, IIRC AGS will have 3 attempts at starting gen before error ?

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Re: GSCM - Network Capable Gen Start Control Module?

Post by Kurt Lundquist » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:04 pm

blackswan555 wrote:echs please confirm either way, IIRC AGS will have 3 attempts at starting gen before error ?
AGS does not make 3 attempts. When the generator needs to start AGS activates the AUX port on the device that is specified in the AGS setup and starts the "Fault Timer". If the OutBack system does not connect to an AC source before the AGS Fault time runs out then AGS logs an error and will not attempt to start the generator again. You have to manually set AGS to OFF then AUTO to reactivate AGS. I think the user programmable Fault time is 17 minutes by default.

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